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Episode 47: Dale Hunter, Messier and Cully Wilson

14-08-2020

Hunter:
1980-99; 19 seasons, 16 quality
Totals:
323G,
697A for
1020P,
+101 in
1407 Games (12th All Time at his retirement);
68.4 PS;
9:05* ATOI (final season only)
Draft: Hunter was drafted 41st overall in 1979 - in his draft year he is
11th in Goals
3rd in Assists
6th in Points
12th in Plus/Minus
[1st in PIM of course, 400+ ahead of his brother and over 1200 ahead of 3rd]
12th in Point Shares
Somehow 4th in Games Played
Era: Of the 13 players to play in at least 1,230 games (15 seasons) between 1980 and 1999, Hunter is
9th in Goals and GPG
8th in Assists and APG
10th in Points and PPG
9th in Plus Minus
11th in Offensive Point Shares (2nd last forward)
8th in Defensive Point Shares (3rd forward)
11th (3rd last) in Point Shares
82-game average: 19G, 41A for 59P, +6
3-year peak (1983-86): 80-game average of 24G,50A for 75P, +22
Playoffs: 42G, 76A for 118P, -22 in 186 Games (13th All Time at his retirement)
Adjusted:
Hockey Reference:
276G, 603A for 879P
82-game average of 16G, 35A for 51P
Obviously not in the Top 25 of any Adjusted PG leaderboards
VsX:
Not in Top 250 in Goals so adjustment not available
658A
823P
Messier:
1979-2004; 25 seasons, 23 quality
Totals:
694G (9th All Time, 7th at his retirement)
1193A (3rd) for
1887P (3rd, 2nd at his retirement)
+211 in
1756 Games (2nd)
160.4 PS (14th All Time at his retirement)
19:20 ATOI (only last 6 seasons)
Messier is 11th All Time in Offensive Point Shares (7th at his retirement)
At his retirement, Messier was tied for 24th All Time in APG
Draft: Drafted 48th overall in the 1979 Entry Draft, Messier is
2nd in Goals
1st in Assists
1st in Points
5th in Plus/Minus
2nd in Point Shares
1st in Games (by well over a season)
Era: Of the 6 players to play in at least 1,558 games (19 seasons) between 1979 and 2004, Messier is
1st in Goals
1st in GPG (nearly tied for 1st)
2nd in Assists
3rd in APG
1st in Points
1st in PPG
3rd in in Plus/Minus
1st in Offensive Point Shares
4th in Point Shares
82-game average: 33G, 56A for 88P, +10
3-year peak (1987-’90): 80-game average of 40G, 77A for 117P, +6
Possession numbers not available
Playoffs:
109G (2nd All Time)
186A (2nd) for
295P (2nd),
+51 (14th) in
236 Games (4th)
Messier is 5th All Time in APG and 4th Time in PPG
Messier was tied for 25th All Time in Playoff GPG at his retirement
Adjusted:
Hockey Reference:
628G (16th All Time)
1104A (6th All Time) for
1732P (4th All Time)
82-game average: 29G, 42A for 81P
If the qualifier is set to 1,230 games (15 seasons), Messier is 16th All Time in Adjusted APG and 17th in PPG
VsX:
21st All time in Goals
8th All time in Assists
4th All Time in Points
If the qualifier is set to 1,230 games (15 seasons), Messier is 22nd in APG and 21st in PPG
Wilson:
1919-23, 1926-27; 5 seasons, 4 quality by modern standards of PPG
Totals:
59G (24th All Time when he was traded out of the NHL),
29A for
88P (t-25th All Time when he was traded) in
130 GP (25th All Time when he was traded);
9 PS
Era: Of the 21 players to play at least 72 games (3 contemporary seasons) between 1919 and 1923, Wilson is
12th in Goals
10th in GPG
14th in Assists and APG
12th in Points
13th in PPG
13th in Offensive Point Shares
18th (4th last) in Point Shares
44-game average: 20G, 10A for 30
3-year peak (1919-22): 24-game average of 13G, 7A for 20P
Playoffs: 1G for 1P in 2 games
Adjusted:
Hockey-Reference:
81G, 123A for 204P
82-game average: 51G, 78A for 129P

Categories | Eligible Inducted Old Timer

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